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New Dem talking point on Obama approval doesn't wash

By Jon Ward on Nov. 4, 2009 into POTUS Notes

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President Obama's approval rating has been sliding steadily downward for several months now, prompting the White House to respond with a new talking point to use in response.

Here it is: the president's approval rating is higher than the percentage of the vote that he got in the presidential election.

It is, to say the least, a talking point that is only true if you're looking at certain approval rating polls.

The talking point popped up twice in the last day. Both times it was used by non-White House officials who are nonetheless very close to the administration.

Late Tuesday night, DNC Chairman Tim Kaine used it as he began the push from the administration against the idea that gubernatorial losses in Virginia and New Jersey were not a reflection of public dissatisfaction with the president.

“Exit polls showed that both races turned on local issues,” Mr. Kaine said. “And, in each state, the president's approval ratings are better today than the share of the vote he received in each state in 2008.”

That's only true in New Jersey, which gave Obama 56.8 percent of the vote a year ago, if you go back two weeks, which was the last time the president's job approval rating was 57 percent. Since then, he hasn't hit higher than 54 percent and the majority of polls have been closer to 50 percent, with the lowest being 46 percent in a Rasmussen poll conducted at the end of October.

In Virginia, it's a little easier, since Obama only got 52.7 percent of the vote in 2008.

But the overall average approval rating for the president is still 49.4 percent at pollster.com, which aggregates all the major opinion polls.

The second time this talking point popped up was in an interview of David Plouffe, the man who managed Obama's campaign, with the Wall Street Journal.

“For all the talk about the president's ratings, his job approval rating right now, by most measures, is higher than his vote totals [in 2008],” Plouffe said. “Think about that: In this economy, with unemployment like it is, pretty much everybody who voted for him thinks he's doing a good job.”

Well, let's see.

In Ohio, Obama got 51 percent. That would come in lower than some of the current approval ratings.

But how about California. Obama got 61 percent there in 2008. You have to go back to a July 1 Gallup poll to find the president's approval rating at 61 percent.

Anyway, it's sort of an arbitrary, let's-pick-a-measurement-that-allows-us-to-say-his-approval-rating-is-higher-than-something sort of metric. And it makes a virtue out of lower vote totals, since the lower a vote total in a state, the more the White House can say the president's current job approval is higher.

And then, of course, it's not entirely accurate for Democrats to make the statement, when you consider the overall poll averages.

-- Jon Ward, White House reporter, The Washington Times

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fredtrainz

Combining polling all poll results is risky, if you want to get a true average. Rasmussen is always an outlier and always lower than all the rest. Fox, if included is often an outlier as well. Also, polls are rated for accuracy which is a factor. Rasmussen manipulates polls except for at the very end of a campaign when they present the true results. That's how they score as one poll that is accurate. Everyone knows this. None-the-less every conservative/far right wing publication, like The Washingto Times, quotes Rasmussen knowing full well it is an outlier poll. Silver's 538 site uses Rasm... as well. His readers are critical of him for that. Many are. Read his comments. What's more the South and ID, UT, WY are Republican strongholds. Obama lost those states as well as every Dem since the Civil Rights Law passed. They are lost states to Dems for now. So including them lumped together with other states does not really give a true average approval rating. Poll results always leave off the margin of error. Often 3 to 4 points + or -. So if Obama's average is 56% it really could be 59 or 60%. OR it could be 52 or 53%. And he won the election by getting between 52 and 53% AND 365 electoral votes. Why does not the W. Times report this info?
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jward

fred you make a good and valid point that rasmussen's numbers are consistently lower than all the others. but it's obvious that the overall trend of the president's ratings have still been trending down for the past few months.
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bearclaw46

Rasmussen was on FOX the other night and stated right out, he only polls likely voters. I pretty much stick with Rasmussen most of the time. He doesn't poll just ANYBODY like Gallup and some of the others do. I wouldn't trust an AP or CNN poll as far as I could throw those left wingers.
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